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Post by Alumni on Feb 11, 2007 16:17:46 GMT -5
I found the format extremely unfriendly to fans. Some finalist seemed to hang around all day Saturday while others managed to get away until their session started. To me this took away from their ability to support their teamates. Too bad because some may never have this chance again.
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Post by Alumni on Feb 11, 2007 21:20:39 GMT -5
See the poll under State Tournament Format.
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Post by crossface on Feb 11, 2007 22:02:27 GMT -5
Consilations were done by 2:15! the Finals stuff started at 6:30 and first whistle was not until 7:00??? I do see the need for a break to make things nice and clean up....but NOT 4 HOURS? ? I hear there was a proposal from Donnie Nelson to raise $20,000....if the wrestling community came up with $20k the event would be held at The Orleans in Las Vegas next year? He also said that the tourney could be a 16 man bracket Coaches, is there any truth to these statements? Where is OOLDAD??? its ONLY $20k dude, when can that check be in Reno?? (Just kidding) Lets get the $20k in by May and force the NIAA to have the event at The Orleans We need 4 (FOUR) $5,000 donations. thats 1 $5k donation per 4A region, and 1 $5 donation from the 1A, 2A, 3A combined? GETRDUN!!!!!!!!!!! Cant we get this done by May
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Post by pinmaster on Feb 11, 2007 23:10:29 GMT -5
I have also heard rumors about the Orleans and a 16 man bracket. Wouldn't that be nice.
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Post by Alumni on Feb 11, 2007 23:31:50 GMT -5
A petition to suggest a 16 man bracket was circulated to all coaches and signed with a resounding 100% in favor of the move. Next step is to utilize a venue that is truly able to hold this size tournament.
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Post by noone on Feb 12, 2007 0:16:16 GMT -5
btw,, crossface,,20 K, means nada to ooldad. maybe someone should have asked before his TWO sons graduated, sad, he might not be interested anymore,, he could have financed everything,,I know he would have,, he might still,, maybe BEG,, oh well,,that format was instigated by people who are NOT wrestling families. The finals should focus on the TWO kids in the finals,, that format took everything away from ALL the finalists, there should NOT be 6 kids on the mat,, there should be TWO under the spotlight, and IF you are going to spotlight 6, then check it down to who they are, not every detail. That was long and annoying to everyone. The NIAA needs a good slapping for the entire thing, OH and lets not let the AD from SSHS off the hook, does that guy know ONE thing about running a State tournie? Who is he anyway? Why is State still at a HS?? I am done for now,,,I had family from Idaho here, they were amazed at how this was run,, hey crossface,,Idaho?? lets get it done!!
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Post by Alumni on Feb 12, 2007 0:26:37 GMT -5
And please get a NEW announcer. Last year he butchered names at the Northern Regional this year it was state. How he cannot take the time to learn proper name pronunciation is beyond me. He should be embarrassed.
And why couldn't he announce the names while they wrestled?
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Post by noone on Feb 12, 2007 0:42:33 GMT -5
do you mean Bo- Zeeeen?? bad bad bad, lets see what else???
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Post by Alumni on Feb 12, 2007 11:28:20 GMT -5
do you mean Bo- Zeeeen?? bad bad bad, lets see what else??? The worst one I remember was what he did to Elliot Pekar from Tahoe. If he had an ounce of class he would contact the Tahoe program and find a way to apologize to Elliot and his entire family.
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Post by ooldad on Feb 12, 2007 13:55:57 GMT -5
The venue? The state format? The money? The attitude towards wrestling in Nevada? These are just some fo the questions that need to be answered. Lets start with the venue. I have already stated what a joke it is and after enduring this years tourny I am completely discusted. 4 hrs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I actually got bored at a wrestling event, until now it never happened in 33 years. The format, 8 man bracket. Not enough kids to make it feel like it was a significant tourny let alone a state championship. Good kids got left home as was evident at some of the weight classes. The 4a class at the very least should be a 16 man bracket. The 1a/2a and 3a could stay the same or maybe combine them. The drop of from 4a is to significant at this time to suggest a superstate. They should make it so, if there is a stud individual or team from1a/2a and 3a they could could jump to 4a zone and state with approval. Just an idea. Lets talk about the money. The financing is the easy part. It takes marketing. If the TOC and Sierra classic can have 80 to 90 shools participate and make a lot money to support programs, then with proper marketing a spectacular event could be held with all classes at the same time, 16 man brackets at a Convention center or University. TWENTY GRAND!!!! Give me break, how much does the TOC and Sierra net. I bet close to that. Private money sure thing Im there. However with a catch, which brings me to the last question. The attitude towards wrestling in Nevada. Until the attitude changes nothing will change. The peolpe who run Nevada are insane. Lets keep making the same excuses and will keep getting the same results.. The reason nothing changes is because they know every 4 years there will be new kids with new families coming in and just when they are fed up, its over. I am from Idaho where they get it right. State has always been held at a University with all classification going at the same time. It was always packed house, even in the early 80's. Nevada cant even pack the house at a high school. To the Nevada wrestling community, IF YOU CANT CHANGE THE ATTITUDE OF THE PEOPLE THEN CHANGE THE PEOPLE. It starts with your AD'S, then your COACHES. If the coaches were held to a higher standard of putting a competitive product on the mat then maybe somebody might want to promote it. Out of all the school in Nevada there are maybe 10 coaches that are getting it done. The rest should reevaluate their comitement to the sport the kids they are supposed to be teaching and coaching. As for me I will always be aroung because I love wrestling. I will make it a point to go watch.
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Post by KnarrlyCoach on Feb 12, 2007 14:08:48 GMT -5
I agree with most points - except:
I think there should be a super-state - 8 from 2A, 8 from 3A, 16 from 4A (5 from each region, maybe a rotating extra for dominant regions, I don't know).
I think your estimate on dedicated coaches lacks. I see a few of these smaller school coaches on the weekend at the HS tourney, and on Sunday at the kids tourney (then run into a few at the middle school matches). Success does not always equate dedication.
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Post by Alumni on Feb 12, 2007 14:16:13 GMT -5
I agree with most points - except: I think there should be a super-state - 8 from 2A, 8 from 3A, 16 from 4A (5 from each region, maybe a rotating extra for dominant regions, I don't know). I think your estimate on dedicated coaches lacks. I see a few of these smaller school coaches on the weekend at the HS tourney, and on Sunday at the kids tourney (then run into a few at the middle school matches). Success does not always equate dedication. I have to agree with Knarrly. The coaches at the 2 and 3A levels should never be doubted for their dedication. They tend to do it all with very little recognition that the bigger programs get.
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Post by pinmaster on Feb 12, 2007 14:24:08 GMT -5
A kid should not be penalized because he is from a small town or school, he should have a chance to wrestle for a state championship against all comers. That would put an end to any doubt. Maybe they should have a choice if they want to enter into the 4A tourney.
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Post by ooldad on Feb 12, 2007 14:43:50 GMT -5
Your right, dedication for most should not be questioned. I guess what I was trying get accross was dedication doesnt mean they have enough knowledge of the sport to be able to teach a system and create a competetive team. Please dont tell me the smaller schools have fewer kids to chose from. That is because they are not driven to wrestle because they dont have a winning program. Everybody has heard about the little school in Oregon call BURNS. What they have 300 to 400 kids in the school but they have a wrestling team that comes to Nevada every year to Lowry and Sierra and has mulitiple champions and actually ran away with the team title a few years back. If a football coach cosistently put a bad product on the field he would be asked to resign or get fired. Why because the money goes to football, basketball and baseball, so now they care. They dont care about wrestling so they dont care if the wrestling coaches with all the dedication actually can teach and implement a wrestling program/system.
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Post by noone on Feb 12, 2007 14:44:20 GMT -5
Since I know nothing about the Coaches from 2A and 3A, my comments are with the 4A Coaches in mind, and the comment that dedication does not equal success. Personally, if I worked hard at something and still could not get a good product out, then I would look hard in the mirror. I hear Coaches who have had kids in their program for four years say things like,, well I just dont get any real athletes! Excuse me, but if after four years in my program, that kid is still making the exact same mistakes he was at the begininning, then I am the one to blame for it! I dont know of one 4A Coach who is truly dedicated that does not have results to show for it. Sure there are down years, but those dedicated Coaches always have some new kid coming up. The rest take off after the season, they do no summer stuff, and they reap what they sow. As far as having super state,, maybe, since wrestling really is not a team sport, it should not be treated as a team sport. What about an idea where there is no 2,3 and 4A? How about break it down into Zones by area, not school size. I suppose that would just be to much work for the NIAA, and I do not believe that any person on that board cares about wrestling one bit! Just take the dead weeks thing for proof!
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