-Improve JV wrestling

[muskie]

[glow=red,2,300]When I said " How do you guys even have practice" I meant was, it seems that there are too many rules brought down on coaches for you to be effective. I am going to write a letter to the superintendent and anyone else that you might suggest. If more people write, call and complain things might change but it will not change on this blog. This will be my post on this topic and then I am going to get busy trying to get some answers. [/glow]

[muskie]

muskie said:

[glow=red,2,300]When I said " How do you guys even have practice" I meant was, it seems that there are too many rules brought down on coaches for you to be effective. I am going to write a letter to the superintendent and anyone else that you might suggest. If more people write, call and complain things might change but it will not change on this blog. This will be my[glow=red,2,300] LAST[/glow] post on this topic and then I am going to get busy trying to get some answers. [/glow]

[Alumni]

I like it...

This topic is getting something started.

I am getting requests for info on JV Tournaments and 3A Tournamnets that 4A schools could send JV kids to.

Please respond if you know of or are having a JV Tournament this year or a Varsity tournament that would be a good fit for JV Kids..

Keep it up guys.

[consumedone]

lancerfan said:

This is the best discusion I have seen on this board. I have had a couple thingytails since I got off work and am going to save this post till tomorrow when I can reread it to post. I am going to address some of the points made in the last two posts.
1. we are all "consumed ones" no parents of JV kids are on this site. Our kids wrestled through grade school and are good high school wrestlers for the most part.
2. The JV kids are not WEAK they are inexperianced. We have a third year kid at McQ who I knew and tried to get to wrestle as a youngster who recently told me he wished he had but he thought some kid would hit him with a chair if he wrestled. If he had started as a youth he would be a good varsity high school wrestler as he is pound for pound one of the strongest kids in the McQ weight program.
3. Wow two rooms!!! Untill now I thought Fallon, Douglas and Carson had an advantadge becouse they practiced twice a day. Due to Washoe's zero period no school can schedule pre school practices in Washoe. But two practice rooms? Huge advantage. No sour grapes great for them.
4. What coaches turn away wrestlers becouse they play another sport? NONE. If the kid wins the wrestle off he wrestles. There is no politics in wrestling, you win the wrestle off or you are JV. Kids should be able to compete in as many sports as possable in high school. When I was a kid if you were fast enough you could play baseball and run track at the same time and never go to a track practice except to compete for your spot on the track team and your baseball coach never had a problem with that.
5. "Now. For real wrestlers" This is part of the problem. As much as we try to promate wrestling we still think of our kids as real wrestlers and the rest as just opponents. We as wrestling afficianados need to promate other kids we notice. I met a kid in a barbershop last year who attends Sparks high. He told me he wrestled when he heard one of the barbers (an ex wrestler) and me discuss my sons wrestling. Since then when I have run across him at tournaments I have made sure to stop by and tell him I watched him wrestle and at the latest Dayton tournament I was truthfully able to tell him how much I thought he had improved in the last year. Every "consumed one" should have four or five kids from other schools that we are doing this for.
6. Wrestling is not expensive compared to other sports. My youngest son was the starting second basebaseman on the Nevada state championship 14 year old all star team that finished third at southwest regionals losing to eventual national champion southern Cal in the championship of the winners bracket 8-4. One of his bats costs more than an entire season of wrestling minus the travel but all sports travel at that level. I am not trying to trivulize what is spent on wrestling but it does not come close to some other sports. Being a single dad of modest means it is one of the reasons I was attacted to the sport.

I LOVE CONSUMEDONES!!! However I would have to disagree that there are no parents of "JV kids" on this board. There are more than you think and we need to offer our encouragement and support instead of separating them out. For instance, the strong "club" teams have many, if not all with the exception of 3 or 4 athlete, who have wrestled many years and done well at the youth levels but cannot crack the varsity line up because the varsity gleans the same backgrounds. If a wrestler, happens to be "stuck" on JV because of this reason, it just causes discouragement to be labelled a "JV wrestler". JV wrestlers are not all inexperienced and we probably shouldn't say that either. JV wrestlers are tomorrow's varsity wrestlers if we offer our love, support and encouragement as we should.

Commentary on the expenses? It depends on how MUCH you wrestle and WHERE.

I love this stuff! Where are the alumni?

[consumedone]

muskie said:

[glow=red,2,300]When I said " How do you guys even have practice" I meant was, it seems that there are too many rules brought down on coaches for you to be effective. I am going to write a letter to the superintendent and anyone else that you might suggest. If more people write, call and complain things might change but it will not change on this blog. This will be my post on this topic and then I am going to get busy trying to get some answers. [/glow]

But that is the key isn't it? GETTING MORE PEOPLE to WRITE, CALL & COMPLAIN. When The "Dead Period" was being discussed, there were only three people who attended the NIAA meeting (one was me). I can help you on your quest and I have plenty of information and e-mails for NIAA type associations across America but you still need more than just me to make a difference. I love a good fight though, let me know how I can be of assistance.

[Alumni]

consumedone said:

lancerfan said:

This is the best discusion I have seen on this board. I have had a couple thingytails since I got off work and am going to save this post till tomorrow when I can reread it to post. I am going to address some of the points made in the last two posts.
1. we are all "consumed ones" no parents of JV kids are on this site. Our kids wrestled through grade school and are good high school wrestlers for the most part.
2. The JV kids are not WEAK they are inexperianced. We have a third year kid at McQ who I knew and tried to get to wrestle as a youngster who recently told me he wished he had but he thought some kid would hit him with a chair if he wrestled. If he had started as a youth he would be a good varsity high school wrestler as he is pound for pound one of the strongest kids in the McQ weight program.
3. Wow two rooms!!! Untill now I thought Fallon, Douglas and Carson had an advantadge becouse they practiced twice a day. Due to Washoe's zero period no school can schedule pre school practices in Washoe. But two practice rooms? Huge advantage. No sour grapes great for them.
4. What coaches turn away wrestlers becouse they play another sport? NONE. If the kid wins the wrestle off he wrestles. There is no politics in wrestling, you win the wrestle off or you are JV. Kids should be able to compete in as many sports as possable in high school. When I was a kid if you were fast enough you could play baseball and run track at the same time and never go to a track practice except to compete for your spot on the track team and your baseball coach never had a problem with that.
5. "Now. For real wrestlers" This is part of the problem. As much as we try to promate wrestling we still think of our kids as real wrestlers and the rest as just opponents. We as wrestling afficianados need to promate other kids we notice. I met a kid in a barbershop last year who attends Sparks high. He told me he wrestled when he heard one of the barbers (an ex wrestler) and me discuss my sons wrestling. Since then when I have run across him at tournaments I have made sure to stop by and tell him I watched him wrestle and at the latest Dayton tournament I was truthfully able to tell him how much I thought he had improved in the last year. Every "consumed one" should have four or five kids from other schools that we are doing this for.
6. Wrestling is not expensive compared to other sports. My youngest son was the starting second basebaseman on the Nevada state championship 14 year old all star team that finished third at southwest regionals losing to eventual national champion southern Cal in the championship of the winners bracket 8-4. One of his bats costs more than an entire season of wrestling minus the travel but all sports travel at that level. I am not trying to trivulize what is spent on wrestling but it does not come close to some other sports. Being a single dad of modest means it is one of the reasons I was attacted to the sport.

I LOVE CONSUMEDONES!!! However I would have to disagree that there are no parents of "JV kids" on this board. There are more than you think and we need to offer our encouragement and support instead of separating them out. For instance, the strong "club" teams have many, if not all with the exception of 3 or 4 athlete, who have wrestled many years and done well at the youth levels but cannot crack the varsity line up because the varsity gleans the same backgrounds. If a wrestler, happens to be "stuck" on JV because of this reason, it just causes discouragement to be labelled a "JV wrestler". JV wrestlers are not all inexperienced and we probably shouldn't say that either. JV wrestlers are tomorrow's varsity wrestlers if we offer our love, support and encouragement as we should.

Commentary on the expenses? It depends on how MUCH you wrestle and WHERE.

I love this stuff! Where are the alumni?

I'm here.

This is GREAT!

Most participation we have had since state.

I'm trying not to cloud great conversation.

[lancerfan]

I am actually one of the parents of a JV kid as my younger son is "stuck" behind his brother at 112 and Lee at 119. But I was refering to the parents of the kids who start wrestling in high school. These are the kids I think we are talking about, the ones we are trying to get out and keep out for four years. I was not trying to put down JV wrestlers. I think they need more recognition. The question I think we are dancing around is How do we get more kids to come out for wrestling at all schools? If we get the numbers up the JV tournaments will become more profitable. It should not cost teams more to send a JV team to a tourny than Varisity but with large JV teams I guess it does. As I stated before I think if we could figure out some way to tap into the popularity of Ultimate fighting we could get more kids especially in the less well off areas involved. But I am not sure exactly how.

[3A]

first chance i've had to post on this subject. re the officials fee its about 4.00 per wrestler for a JV tourney, a real bargain compared to Varsity at about the same price per MATCH. This should be statewide as its set by the NIAA, so the 8.00 and plus or over Varsity rates is just plain wrong in any situation I have looked at.

[consumedone]

lancerfan said:

I am actually one of the parents of a JV kid as my younger son is "stuck" behind his brother at 112 and Lee at 119. But I was refering to the parents of the kids who start wrestling in high school. These are the kids I think we are talking about, the ones we are trying to get out and keep out for four years. I was not trying to put down JV wrestlers. I think they need more recognition. The question I think we are dancing around is How do we get more kids to come out for wrestling at all schools? If we get the numbers up the JV tournaments will become more profitable. It should not cost teams more to send a JV team to a tourny than Varisity but with large JV teams I guess it does. As I stated before I think if we could figure out some way to tap into the popularity of Ultimate fighting we could get more kids especially in the less well off areas involved. But I am not sure exactly how.

I would have to say interest in wrestling starts with the teammates and coaches. Fundraising plays a small part. What I have seen through the years is that it starts with a coach willing to give up his lifestyle and then wrestling families who also are willing to do what it takes to support the team and their coach. I don't think tapping into "UFC" is going to do it for you either. It takes a mentally tough kid with alot of heart and willing to follow direction that's it! UFC is thrilling because it' is bloody and crazy and something most people would NEVER consider doing. As I said before, beef up the local tournaments so that there is a venue for both JV and Varsity teams to compete and watch what happens.....

[TP]

The $4 for J.V. officials is not correct it is actually $3 (varsity makes $4). J.V. officials make $42 per dual when divided by 14 matches they make $3/match (this information is actually made public so there should be no confusion). Now, with tournaments like Newcomers the Referee's give a discount and end up making much less. A tournament like Newcomers @ C-M could run around $2,000 for Referee's alone. The Ref's do that tournament for half of that (Newcomers runs around 9 hrs. with 10 Ref's, which means the Refs make about $11/hr, not very much to take all that yelling and screaming from coaches?). There are also other discounts the refs give for bigger J.V. tournaments like J.V. Zones. In A-AAA Varsity events (smaller schools) Officials make agreements for less money as well for certain events.
Although, I do agree with the correlation between the cost of officials and it being hard to hold an event, these problems are not prevalent in Nevada. The schools here still walk away with making money every tournament when done right.