pinu2
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Post by pinu2 on Feb 13, 2007 21:27:31 GMT -5
I value the opinion my son's coach, mostly because he wrestled in the Big 12 but also because he's taught my son alot. I watched most of the matches with him nearby and he could tell me almost to the call when a kid was about to be hit with stalling. I asked him at the time, why there were so many stall calls in this tournament and he said they were actually pretty accurate, the reason we don't see them that much during the season is because the refs aren't consistent enough, and usually only the better refs are good at calling stalls and we had the best officials at state. He said in the Midwest you better be ready to go 6-8 minutes full go or you simply would not go very deep into most tournaments, especially the State tournament.
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Post by noone on Feb 13, 2007 21:59:22 GMT -5
What I absolutely do not agree with and to be honest have no respect for is an official that points fingers at High School wrestlers implying they were out of shape. That is out of line. Most of these kids work harder at their sport than many of us would have ever imagined doing. If anyone is going to imply they are out of shape then they better be able to say they have seen the kid work out, day after day, month after month, year after year. Not just because they saw eight minutes of wrestling and determined the kid was out of shape
Thank You Alumni! I also owe my son an apology he has corrected me,, his record going into Zone that year was 1-2, he went into the finals at 3-2, five matches all year, he came home with a State medal as well. The ref hit him with stalling more than once at Zone,,when in actuality he physically was unable to continue due to a serious illness.
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Post by Alumni on Feb 13, 2007 22:10:14 GMT -5
Alumni, You felt there was stalling in the Harris/Evans match, can I ask by who and in your "opinion" did the best wrestler win? just wondering Nope wrong match. I wrote Harris as apposed to the weight because I was uncertain of the weight class and meant to go back and confirm. I meant the 140 pound match Padilla/Price. I really felt Padilla could have done more and may have had a better result had he. My appologies to Harris and Evans. |
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Post by Alumni on Feb 13, 2007 22:16:16 GMT -5
I value the opinion my son's coach, mostly because he wrestled in the Big 12 but also because he's taught my son alot. I watched most of the matches with him nearby and he could tell me almost to the call when a kid was about to be hit with stalling. I asked him at the time, why there were so many stall calls in this tournament and he said they were actually pretty accurate, the reason we don't see them that much during the season is because the refs aren't consistent enough, and usually only the better refs are good at calling stalls and we had the best officials at state. He said in the Midwest you better be ready to go 6-8 minutes full go or you simply would not go very deep into most tournaments, especially the State tournament. And all because the coaches in the midwest work their kids harder! Who wants to see 6-8 minute matches. All that means is packed gyms for every dual and referees having to constantly move around to keep score. I can go watch basketball if I want to see that. |
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Post by stripes on Feb 14, 2007 1:23:20 GMT -5
Alumni
you stated in another posting about drafting a letter to the NIAA.
I say one major topic should be stalling for watching regionals and state tournmant I was very disappointed for alot of the wrestlers did nothing but stall either standing around going in circles or just lying on the mat for a half to full period with not warnings or points. What is it here in Nevada the referees decide on some matches who wins or is it the NIAA whose tells what refs who they want to win or loss. It seems that no matter what team is on the mat the referee is the one who really decides the match not the wrestlers. If a kids or kids do not do any wrestling movements except to prevent a action then a stalling should be called at least with in 15 seconds not 1 to 2 minutes.
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Post by lvcatfan on Feb 14, 2007 14:20:48 GMT -5
Alumni-I wasn't at State but...I think you're probably right about Padilla. The kid is a very talented wrestler but most of his matches are a difference of 1 or 2 points. I,too,think if he was a more assertive rather than defensive wrestler he may have won a lot more of his close matches. I watched him wrestle last year and 2 of his matches with Mike Ruggiero went into double OT with Ruggiero winning both. If stalling is going to be enforced-it needs to apply to ALL wrestlers. (ok my ranting is done now!)
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Post by Alumni on Feb 14, 2007 14:34:26 GMT -5
Alumni-I wasn't at State but...I think you're probably right about Padilla. The kid is a very talented wrestler but most of his matches are a difference of 1 or 2 points. I,too,think if he was a more assertive rather than defensive wrestler he may have won a lot more of his close matches. I watched him wrestle last year and 2 of his matches with Mike Ruggiero went into double OT with Ruggiero winning both. If stalling is going to be enforced-it needs to apply to ALL wrestlers. (ok my ranting is done now!) I've seen him wrestle too and while he can be very efficient at defensive wrestling I just didn't get that feeling with this match. It was just too cautious, not really defensive. I kept waiting for him to make a move, offensive or defensive and it just didn't happen. Had an early stall warning been given and then backed up with a second, maybe things would have opened up more? Who knows, maybe they were both just horribly out of shape and the ref couldn't see encouraging them to wrestle in fear an injury would have resulted or the crowd would have gotten interested? |
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Post by Alumni on Feb 14, 2007 14:41:20 GMT -5
Alumni you stated in another posting about drafting a letter to the NIAA. I say one major topic should be stalling for watching regionals and state tournmant I was very disappointed for alot of the wrestlers did nothing but stall either standing around going in circles or just lying on the mat for a half to full period with not warnings or points. What is it here in Nevada the referees decide on some matches who wins or is it the NIAA whose tells what refs who they want to win or loss. It seems that no matter what team is on the mat the referee is the one who really decides the match not the wrestlers. If a kids or kids do not do any wrestling movements except to prevent a action then a stalling should be called at least with in 15 seconds not 1 to 2 minutes. The intent of this letter will be constructive in both praise and criticism. I see no basis to accuse anyone of favoritism or pre-determining winners. Sorry I cannot support your views of how the matches were officiated. |
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Post by Alumni on Feb 14, 2007 21:12:14 GMT -5
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Post by matfan on Feb 16, 2007 1:20:17 GMT -5
I am still replaying the Edmunds/Barrett match in my head and to call Edmunds for stalling
and not call Barrett later is an absolute injustice. The ref played a crucial and deciding role in this match and it was sad.
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Post by mewrestler on Feb 16, 2007 11:02:19 GMT -5
First off, I think the referrees decided too many of the matches instead of the wrestlers. Second, if you are going to call stalling (and other calls) differently at state, it should have been called that way all year. The wrestlers become accustomed to calls being made a specific way throughout the year and all of a sudden they change it on them. I think there could have been some different outcomes if things had been called consistant with the way they were during the season.
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